Bra Science: A direct comparison between Ewa Michalak CH(P) & Comexim 3 part half cups

Good morning loyal readers.  As promised, I’ve worked up a massive blog post in an attempt to compare two very similar bra styles by two different Polish manufacturers.  Firstly, let’s review how each company sizes their bras:

Ewa Michalak uses the European sizing system for her band sizes, so the band numbers are done in centimeters and each size up is counted by 5.  60 = 28 band, 65 = 30 band, 70 = 32 band, etc.  She then uses the UK sizing system for her cup letters, and each cup size is scaled up by 1.”  UK cups follow the pattern of double letters, and go like this: D, DD, E, F, FF, G, GG, H, HH, J, JJ, K, and so on.  Note there is no double E, and no letter I.

Comexim uses the European sizing system for both their bands and their cups, and each cup size is scaled up by 2cm (1″ = 2.54cm) – so slightly less depth is added per cup volume than with Ewa Michalak.  EU cups do not use double letters, and go like this: D, E, F, G, H, HH, J, K, L, M, N, and so on.  Worthy of noting:  Comexim has replaced what would be their “I” cup with a double H.  This is the only double letter they use.

Now, let’s review the concept of index sizing and sister sizing.  An index size is based on the UK sizing method and is your band size, followed by a colon, then your cup size in number of cups, starting with A = 1, that you need to count to so you have your correct cup depth.  This should somewhat align with the perimeter measurement of your breast in inches, however due to individual breast shape, scaling, and size variations between manufacturers it doesn’t always work that way.  Personally, I wear a 28FF or G, so my index size would be 28:8 or 28:9.  A 34FF would be 34:8.  A 32E would be 32:6.  Sister sizing is the process of reducing or increasing the cup letter size to maintain the same cup volume when changing band sizes.  If I take my index size of 28:9 and go up to a 30 band size, I need to subtract one from my cup volume number to maintain the same cup volume.  Since Ewa Michalak only produces 60 bands by request and charges a custom fee, I choose to wear her 65 bands and alter them tighter if needed.  To sum this up, my index size in Comexim is a 28:9, and in Ewa Michalak is a 30:8.  Due to the 2cm scaling Comexim uses, many people find they need to go up one more cup size to have adequate room since 2cm is smaller than 1 inch.  This becomes more pronounced the larger your breasts are in relation to your band size.  I can wear my UK index size in Comexim.  Some cannot.  Your mileage may vary.

On to the good stuff.  The two bras I’ve chosen to compare today are Ewa Michalak CH Biszkopty in size 65FF (30:8), and Comexim Elena 3 part half cup in size 60HH (28:9).  Remembering the rule of sister sizes, these bras should theoretically contain the same volume within a half centimeter or so – almost a negligible difference.  You’ll have to bear with me as I go over the EM’s measurements, since the band has been altered and I have moved the straps inward.  For the purposes of this little bra science project, I have measured strap placement on my EM from the original point of attachment at the cups, so my alteration doesn’t skew the results.  I picked these two specific bras because from the array of half cups I’ve tried from both brands, I feel these two bras run the most true-to-size – meaning they’re a good representation of the average volume this size should contain, without one bra being an outlier by running either big or small for its tagged size.

Let’s get some pictures going!! Let’s start with general appearance:

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Ignoring the color – side by side, each bra is pretty similar.  Same general cup shape and design.  There are slight differences in the seaming pattern, which I’ll get into in a bit.

Throughout this process I made notes of what I consider to be “slight” differences -within 0.2″ or so that could potentially be chalked up to manufacturing variances and could potentially vary within the same cup style and size from the same brand, and what I consider to be significant differences – greater variations that would generally hold true regardless of which brand you’re wearing.  Moving on to measurements, starting with cup width:

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I couldn’t take this measurement with one hand and shoot with the other, so I drew a line to show how I measured.  I placed the bra in a neutral position, took a soft tape measure and measured from the inner edge of the outer wire channel straight across the bra to the inner edge of the inner wire channel.

Comexim: 5.25″.
EM: 5.125″
Conclusion:  EM has narrower wires, but it’s a slight difference.

Next up is cup height:

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To measure cup height, I pushed the cup inside out and measured from the top of the bottom underwire straight up the center seam to the top of the cup.

Comexim: 5.75″
EM: 5.5″
Conclusion: Comexim’s cups are taller, and it may or may not be a significant difference.

How about we look at the length of the underwires themselves:

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To measure this I took the soft tape measure and curved it along the bottom of the cup, following the wire in its channel.

Comexim: 9.5″
EM: 9.5″
Conclusion: They’re identical.

The next thing I want to address is the placement of the straps on the cups themselves, and also on the band.  As in: how far apart are the straps from one another?

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This is where I had to measure from the original point of attachment on my EM bra, so the arrows extend past the current strap placement.  I also placed both bras in a neutral position so the measurement was as accurate as possible.

Comexim: 9.825″
EM: 10.25″
Conclusion: Ewa’s straps are set wider, and this is quite a significant difference.  Straps being set too widely is a very common complaint about EM bras, and I was not surprised at all to find such a large variation among the two brands.

The same holds true for strap placement on the band.  To take this measurement I added an extender to my EM bra so that both bras have a stretched band measurement of 28″ and then I closed the bra band on the loosest hooks.  Again, bras in a neutral positon.

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Comexim: 6.5″
EM: 8″
Conclusion:  EM’s straps are set significantly wider on the back of the bra.

I moved on to measure the distance of the vertical seams from each other at both the bottom and the top of the bra.  Placement and shape of the vertical seams will affect the overall shape the bra gives your breasts when wearing it.  Here’s the bottom:

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When I did this I accidentally measured on the inside of the Comexim cup and the outside of the EM cup, but I don’t think there’s a difference on the EM if I’d done it on the inside.  The seams are where they are, regardless of which side of the cup you’re looking at.

Comexim: 0.825″ (2 cm)
EM: 0.625 (1.6 cm)
Conclusion: Ewa’s seams start closer together.

Here’s the top:

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Comexim: 1.5″ (3.8 cm)
EM: 1.75″ (4.4 cm)
Conclusion: Comexim’s seams start farther apart at the bottom and follow a more parallel path up the height of the cup.  Ewa Michalak’s seams start next to each other at the bottom and follow diagonal paths away from each other towards the top of the cup.

Cup depth – the biggest factor that determines if the bra is going to contain your breasts or not. I took two cup depth measurements in an attempt to show the amount of overall projection each style has.  One across the middle of the cup, and one across the apex of the cup – the deepest point and often where one’s nipples lie.  Here’s the middle of the cup.  I measured this by placing the bra over my knee to hold its shape while measuring with the tape hugging the curve of the cup from the inner edges of one wire channel to another.  Since this was basically impossible to take pictures of, I attempted to draw a line showing the path my measuring tape took.  Use your imaginations:

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Comexim: 8.125″
EM: 8.0″
Conclusion:  There’s a slight difference, but it’s almost identical.  Somebody else doing this measurement may get identical numbers.

Here’s along the apex:

 

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Comexim: 9.0″
EM: 9.625″
Conclusion: Ewa’s cups are significantly deeper at the apex (some of this could be correlated with the 1″ vs 2cm cup scaling methods) while Comexim’s cups are generally flatter/shallower overall.

Strap width can play a role in how comfortable the bra straps are for all day pressure on your shoulders, and especially in larger bust sizes, narrower straps aren’t padded or wide enough to distribute weight evenly and can really dig into one’s shoulders:

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Comexim: 0.625″
EM: 0.625″
Conclusion: They’re identical.  Strap width varies somewhat among different bra styles.  IMO, interchangeable straps should be standard on every bra ever made.  Everybody has their own tolerance level when it comes to shoulder pressure, however if your band fits snugly enough it will do 80% of the heavy lifting and support work.

Gore width is essential when it comes to comfort, as a properly fitting bra should have a tacking gore.  Different breasts are differently spaced apart on different chests, so I measured the gore width at the top and bottom of both bras, each of which are known to have narrow gores relative to UK brands.  Top:

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Comexim: 0.5″
EM: 0.625″
Conclusion: Comexim is narrower.  This varies somewhat from style to style within the brand.  You can ask Comexim to make a bra with overlapping wires if the tops of gores really bother you.

I also measured the bottom width of the gore, and was somewhat surprised by the results.  I’m close set at the top and then quite splayed, and often wondered if the reason a lot if not all of my gores float somewhat at the bottom was related to their width.  I still don’t know for sure, but I measured it anyways for giggles (and accidentally covered up the numbers on the Comexim):

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Comexim: 1.5″
EM: 2.125″
Conclusion:  The EM is significantly wider.  This too may vary among bra styles.  I would have sworn it would be the other way around.

While I’m at it – gore height.  This describes the measurement from the top of the center gore (the piece in the center of the bra) to the bottom of the band, from the inside:

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Comexim: 2.75″
EM: 2.75″
Conclusion: It’s identical, although Comexim is willing to make a bra with a reduced gore height alteration.

One last thing – immediate projection.  Immediate projection refers to the amount of room a cup has directly above and going forward from the underwire.  For pendulous breasts like mine, this is THE BIG FACTOR in my “does it fit?” decisions.  Pendulous simply means that your breast tissue hangs down below the point of attachment (root) to your chest wall.  You can be varying degrees of pendulous – I am quite pendulous in that unsupported, my breast tissue hangs down inches below the root.  Bras that are too shallow at the underwire get pushed down my ribcage by my breasts searching for more room to settle.  There really is no foolproof way to measure this – it’s all about placing the bra in your inframammary fold (IMF) correctly, and then determining over the course of a day, hours, or even minutes if it’s really bad, if it will stay in place.  Polish bras are considered among the most immediately projected bras on the market, and the half cups – the bra styles I’m reviewing today – are considered the best of the best from each brand.  Since I can’t put it in numbers, I’m including side by side profile shots of me wearing each bra.

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In each picture, there is no wrinkling or folding in the bottom of the cup – evidence that my breasts do not have enough room.  There is also no space between the underwire and my IMF.  I don’t find one brand or the other to have a significant difference in the amount of immediate projection in their half cup styles.  This too may vary slightly among bra within the brands, but I feel safe in saying that each brand’s half cup cuts are suitable for pendulous breast shapes.

One thing I would like to note:  Ewa Michalak manufactures two different padded half cup cuts – the CH and CHP, with the CHP being the dominating half cup currently produced.  In smaller sizes, they’re virtually identical.  You can check out a CHP in action in my review of the Lawenda.  In larger sizes, the CHP gets notably wider and less immediately projected.  I consider myself right on the line between small band/medium bust and small band/large bust.  If I were a 65G/GG and larger volumes, I would carefully consider potential fit changes between the CH and CHP.  Comexim also produces two padded half cup cuts – one with a single vertical seam and one with the two vertical seams as shown in this post.  The single vertical seamed cups are vastly different – significantly wider and much shallower at the wire.  If your shape is like mine, I strongly consider you to request all half cup bras to be made with the 2 seamed pattern.  You can see a single seamed half cup in action in my review of the Veronique and clearly see the fit differences and why it did not work for me.

Major differences between Ewa and Comexim as manufacturers:  Ewa produces over 150 sizes of bras in a large variety of shapes and cups.  Unlined balconettes, unlined half cups, padded balconettes, padded plunges, a variety of bras engineered for small busts, bras engineered for large busts, etc.  She is hesitant if not completely unwilling to customize bras, will not consider changing her strap placement at all, and charges extra for custom band and cup sizes.  You can communicate with Ewa in English via Kaska, their customer service rep, and will receive a reply generally very quickly.  Comexim offers 2 padded styles, a plunge and a half cup, and a handful of unlined bras.  They are, however, extremely accommodating to alteration requests and will alter/customize about anything you can think of for no charge at all.  One major downside is they are currently difficult to get hold of and I’m not sure why – be it order backlog or what.  Email response is running at a snail’s pace.

WHEW.  That was quite a nerdy scientific novel I wrote there!  I hope you all enjoyed it, learned from it, and can put this experiment to the test yourselves.  Stay tuned for my upcoming reviews of my first unlined Polish bra and Ewa’s brand new CH style, the Cherry!

 

Bra Review: Comexim Luna, 60HH

As promised, today I am writing about the lovely Luna I was lucky enough to grab secondhand.  Comexim Luna is a long discontinued style, and looks exactly how its name implies.  Luna means “moon,” and this bra is very unique.  The moon print on the fabric is unlike any other bra I’ve ever seen!  It’s topped with an ivory lace trim and small, sweet bows.  It’s become one of my favorite bras, despite its less than perfect fit.

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From the front, all looks well.  Just look at that amazing moon print!!  Ahhh, I love it.  Seriously.  I also love the ivory straps and lace trim, and the understated bows that don’t detract from the overall design.  I think big frilly bows would somehow be too feminine and competitive with the lunar theme of the bra.

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From the side we can see the lovely narrow wires, and also see the moon print wraps around the band to the back clasps, which is fantastic – so many bras have boring bands!  I love this touch, it really makes the bra come together.  You can see how the wires are sitting maybe slightly below my IMF, but this is a common fit issue for me as my shape continues to change and I continue to struggle to find enough immediate projection in most bras.

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Here is where Luna falters a little bit.  The cups seem taller than my other 60HH plunges, and I have some extra room at the top of them.  It’s hard to photograph well, but it actually gaps like this on both sides and all over the cup, not just at the strap.  Comexim’s older designs really struggled with cups that were too tall for most busts.  I think that has changed as their patterns have evolved over the years, but Luna is an older model and I suspect it just runs taller.  It’s possible I could have used reduced cups here, but since I couldn’t order this directly from Comexim and ask for alterations, I’m not going to throw a fit over it.  Luna is one of those bras I lusted after ever since I learned of its existence, and this minor issue isn’t a deal breaker for me.

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Finally – the usual Comexim standards still apply here.  Narrow wires and a good snug band.  Luna is also ridiculously soft.  Like, softer than any other Comexim I’ve ever met.  It’s like wearing little pillows on my boobs!

What do you think?  Am I alone in my desire for more quirky, uniquely patterned bras?  I feel like the lingerie world is overflowing with lace, florals, and girly bows.  I would love to see more designs like Luna be released!  Stars!  Galaxies!  Planets!  Music notes!  Fire!  Don’t get me wrong, I love my girly lacy bras, but something to break up the monotony of my closet would be much appreciated.  That’s when I’m so happy to have Luna step in!

Coming soon – a review of my first Polish unlined bra, and a direct comparison between Ewa Michalak’s 3 part CH/P style and Comexim’s 3 part half cup style.  Stay tuned!

Bra Review: Comexim Elena half cup, 60HH

Well it’s about time I wrote another review!  Usually I am not absent for a month, but the holidays caught up with me.  Apologies to my lovely readers.  As for the bra: is there anything Comexim can’t do??  I think not.  Today’s gem is the Elena Half Cup, with a specific modification.  Typically Elena is made as a single seamed half cup pattern, which is clearly seen in the stock photos.  This cut doesn’t work well for my shape, so I asked the dear Anna if she could possibly make one in the 2 seam cut, so that the dimensions and fit would theoretically be identical to my Victoria.  Much to my gratitude, Comexim happily obliged.  I also asked for it to be black, since I still lacked a wardrobe stable black bra.

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Ta-da!  Elena is indeed very close in measurements to Victoria.  I measured 5.25″ wide and 9.0″ deep, compared to Victoria’s 5.0″ wide and 8.5″ deep.  Since the cups are slightly wider, the extra depth is a non-factor:  since my roots love 5.0″ wide cups, and this is 0.25″ wider on each side, consider that extra 0.5″ of depth somewhat “wasted” to the outsides of my breasts.  This makes the actual fit on me nearly identical to Victoria.  Is that enough math for you today?

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Moving on.  This is a profile shot of my bigger breast, showing slight bubbling.  At the risk of sounding like a broken record – this is how almost all bras fit on me.  It fits my smaller side perfectly.  Since I tend to pick bubbling over gapping (unless it’s bad enough to be visible under shirts), I don’t really consider this a fit issue.  The consistent Comexim standards apply – narrow wires, room for projection at the bottom of the cup, a nice snug true-to-size band, and solid construction.

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The last thing I’d like to point out is my favorite aspect of Elena, and most Polish bras in general.  The attention to detail.  This could easily have been “just another black bra.”  Black is boring.  Black is basic.  It’s the bread to your jelly.  Black and nude bras are essentials to almost every wardrobe.  But the little lace trim, the pretty crystal gore charm, and the cute bows serve to make Elena special.  I will always appreciate the little touches that take a potentially basic bra to a wardrobe staple you still feel pretty in and love to wear 🙂

Stay tuned readers!  My next review will be of a rare sighting.  A diamond in the rough.  A needle in a haystack.  One of those “I can’t believe I found this and now actually have a real life one in my very own hands!!!” bras… Comexim Luna!